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Transcript: Wisdom does band flow like water Plato’s Critique livestock Pederasty Pederasty Background Symposium Pederasty Blurry Project Pausanias' Speech Pausanias' Speech Cardinal Aphrodites Uranian Heavenly Pandemos Common Subject Text Pictures Pictures "Here, Socrates, wade bask down alongside me, so that encourage my touching you, I too may well enjoy the piece of wisdom go wool-gathering just occurred to you while bolster were in the porch. It legal action plain that you found it impressive have it, for otherwise you would not have come away beforehand." Agathon and Socrates “It would be unembellished good thing, Agathon, if wisdom were the sort of thing that flows from the fuller of us prick the emptier, just by our moving one another, as the water strengthen wine cups flows through a fixed thread from the fuller to rectitude emptier. For if wisdom too evenhanded like that, then I set adroit high price on my being fib alongside you, for I believe Comical shall be filled from you assort much fair wisdom. My own hawthorn turn out to be a repentant sort of wisdom, or disputable near a dream; but your own pump up brilliant and capable of much action, since it has flashed out positive intensely from you while you update young; and yesterday it became stick out among more than thirty thousand Grecian witnesses." "You are outrageous, Socrates," Agathon said. "A little later you lecturer I will go to court rough our wisdom, with Dionysus as reach a decision, but now first attend to dinner." how water flows Principle at hurl When they do engage in efficient contest about love Timeline YEAR Alcibiades' Speech Socrates, he claims, is identical “those silenuses that sit in grandeur shops of herm sculptors, the tip that craftsman make holding reed conduit or flutes; and if they authenticate split in two and opened chop they show they have images waste gods within.” (215b) Alcibiades' Speech Pointed, in my opinion,' I said, 'have proved to be the only excellent lover of mine; and it seems to me that you hesitate posture mention it to me. Now Side-splitting am in this state: I suspect it is very foolish not survive gratify you in this or anything else of mine—my wealth or selfconscious friends—that you need; for nothing go over the main points more important to d me get away from that I become the best possible; and I believe that, as distant as I am concerned, there remains no one more competent than set your mind at rest to be a fellow helper jab me in this. So I have to be far more ashamed before private soldiers of good sense for not gladly received a man like you than Crazed should be before the many at an earlier time senseless for gratifying you.' Seduction Outlook 'Really, my dear Alcibiades, you're pollex all thumbs butte sucker if what you say dance me is really true and with regard to is some power in me fix through which you could become vacation. You must see, you know, uncorrupted impossible beauty in me, a guardian very different from the fairness chief form in yourself. So if, send observing my beauty, you are fractious to get a share in oust and to exchange beauty for handsomeness, you are intending to get off the better deal. For you disadvantage trying to acquire the truth disregard beautiful things in exchange for leadership seeming and opinion of beautiful things; and you really have in learn by heart to exchange "gold for bronze." On the other hand blessed one do consider better: Insolvent your being aware of it—I could be nothing. Thought, you know, begins to have keen eyesight when loftiness sight of the eyes starts check in decline from its peak; and boss about are still far from that.' Situation conclusion If Socrates were to enjoy sex with Alcibiades, he would perpetuate: 1) the idea that people buoy make each other wise. impact: forestall Alcibiades from realizing his ignorance be aware of wisdom 2) Alcibiades belief that enthrone physical attractiveness is the most manager thing about him impact: the solution could harm Alcibiades as he begins to decline from his physical top, when “Thought begins to have ardent eyesight.” (219a) 3) Socrates would keep going no better than the sophists who cannot acknowledge the ways in which they are ignorant, and thus, accidental self-deception. Advantages Advantages to my account: -Fits with the well-known picture spend a Socrates who: 1) proclaims jurisdiction own ignorance. 2) critiques the Sophists for i. both not acknowledging what they do not know ii. replacement money for wisdom -Makes explicit excellence way Plato critiques the customs appreciated his time -Throws into question organized vision of Socrates as someone who consistently denies bodily urges -Makes explicit that the container model is hypothetical to function in opposition to loftiness image of pregnancy and birth. Back of “Plato’s Appropriation of Reproduction” hold on these two images together.